Does that make sense? To join this week's conversation, click here: https://youtu.be/0Cld7iShbIgSee what God can do through you. Unfortunately and I say this with respect most of what you wrote contradicts Scripture. Do YOU believe that God is a molecular structure? I wonder how many on this forum have a biblical salvation experience ? Apparently, in his own words, Steven Furtick does. He is rare he actually tells how life really is and tells his own fears and struggles that people can actually relate to. "I'm about to play Whac-A-Mole with your reasons" for not getting baptized, he said, throwing out combs, brushes, hair gel, towels and make-up remover. Yes, youre setting him up. Actually, the Word of God teaches that there is only ONE Spirit who is God. Simply put, not obstaining from the appearance of evil and not separating from the world. Down the hall?"'. #2 debunked. Your James reference you switched up, 1:3 should be 3:1 . 5 Women pastors in the church have been debated for many years. In your last response to Thomas you said: Iron does indeed sharpen iron and some friction is a necessary part of that process. I only disagree inasmuch as friction is essential. You started saying It seems we agree: correction we definitely agree! See, up until now I have walked with you, but when I send my spirit, I will be in you. Wherever you find yourself in life, we want to be a place you can depend on for receiving inspiration, encouragement . As no, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33, and that would be the height of it, as even in your question: . I too get tired of the nonsense, and the focus on secondary issues, and on the desire to be entertaining rather than edifying. By most people's standards, Furtick is a major success. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. ), 7. Again, why this foundation of being, rooted and grounded in love? No, I do not see it, as Furtick said of Jesus; He wanted to. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ,the new creationhas come:The old has gone, the new is here! Sure, it is noted he was not appreciated in his home turf, but bottom line, Jesus himself marvelled at their unbelief, which is another way of saying, lack of faith, which has a lot to do with receiving things from God, even salvation as, he gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12. There are a number of very serious problems with Furticks teaching on this. Lets pretend that healing belongs to us in Christ Jesus. What should we conclude about the apostle Paul? Hindus will need you to specify which god youre asking about. Pastor Furtick is one of the chosen. This is nonsense. We are made in Gods image, but as God said there is no one like Him. When we look in the mirror, however, it doesnt seem that He guides us into all truth right away. Jakes, who teaches the heresy of modalism (see below). Seems like a foundational idea on which other bad ideas are built. Do you know of any instances he may have snuck that in a sermon? Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. There are plenty of us out there. This is good stuff, my friend. As for asking if I agree with him, that God broke the law for love, have you forgotten, I already shared earlier about that (look above); What you need is what we all need: to see people actually following Jesus closely. Wommack, like every other Word of Faith teacher, claims that the power is in us, that we are the ones who determine whether were healed, and that God has already provided healing for all believers but we have to manifest it by faith. I wonder: why do you think that almost all of the books in the New Testament warn Christians to watch out for false teachers? Steven Furtick went about his get-ready ritual in a camper parked outside. I wish you well, and hope that you will reach out if I can help you in any way. Well say things like, I wouldnt change a thing because thats what made me who I am. Well, that suggests that bad things might actually be good things. Dont listen to false teachers, and dont defend those who teach falsely. >> God only has One intelligence, and that intelligence is HIMSELF. Instead, they focused on living as disciples, members of the kingdom. Salvation IS a huge deal but if our only concern was salvation, we wouldnt need most of the New Testament. Your greed and jealousy has destroyed your soul. Nazarite vows are a special case. The clearest example I can think of is when I see Christians rejoice when a baby is conceived outside of marriage while ignoring the sin that caused it. See for yourself what the Bible says. God is spirit. Express your opinion! But, seeing that you have an aversion to faith folks, you are not going to relent. God wanted Paul to be healed, but Paul had some hidden sin that prevented it. I just want to thank and encourage you in contending earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. If so, then all of the apostles were Pharisees. We are as youre aware saved by grace, through faith and this is NOT from ourselves, it is the gift of God. You Are Not It. Who knows? The gospel is NOT being preached, and youre taking Jesus words out of context. We know him only as a regular guy, not somebody with any special favors from God, and they were offended in him verse 56. So he had zero interest when a friend invited him to a revival at First Baptist of Moncks Corner, S.C., where they sang Southern gospel. She is only sleeping. But they (the doubters) laughed at Him. As his young flock streamed into the auditorium of Providence High School in Charlotte, N.C., one Sunday morning last month, the Rev. Partly cloudy. If one doesnt, then such a one can ask humbly for help (James 4:10), as this man in scripture did! Sorry, there are no recent results for popular videos. I feel the same about Joyce Meyers. The difference isnt trivial. The question is whether you were, or werent and you were. For many, it's the church's loud Christian rock music. There are distinctives between the working of the Holy Spirit and the moving of the Holy Spirit, and the working of the redemptive work of Christ. Do not line up with the holy spirit that was Within Me. Why? As he also told the disciples he would not always be with them physically; Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7, which brought forth the gifts of the Spirit, even gifts of healing and miracles 1 Corinthians 12:9,10. But, Jesus knew that a resurrection would be greater show of his power, than a mere healing! Thats not legal. The power of God was in Nazareth, but it was trapped in their perspective. You and I both know that we dont save ourselves, yet many persist in the false notion that its our faith-filled words that save us. Second, Im supremely confident that you will agree with these statements correct me if Im wrong: If you agree with those things, then the only thing left for you and me to figure out is whether Steven Furticks teaching actually DOES contradict Scripture right? Im not sure why, at this point, youre still not acknowledging that this specific thing that Furtick taught is false. This is not the God of the Bible, its someone else entirely. Anyone who disagrees with what Furtick teaches must a) be envious, b) ignorant of how God has blessed his church, and c) a deceiver. He causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the righteous and unrighteous alike. His disciples did not. I do not agree with His saying; What God did when he sent his son [he] broke the Law for love. Is totally wrong, for because of the Law (as you know this), Christ had to come as a perfect man, just like the law says, a perfect lamb was to be sacrificed, for The word in Romans 10:9 thats translated you will be saved is a verb. He teaches that God created a good Law, then broke His own Law, and did it because He loves us. Whats the conclusion? Real-time updates and all local stories you want right in the palm of your hand. Join us on @elevationplus as we dive deeper into the sermon. Its important to make sure we keep the question in mind. Let me know if theres some other way I can help, beyond praying (which Im doing right now). Their claim that God appears in different modes is both unbiblical and illogical. Please, let me encourage you: there may be bad things happening in many churches, but there are also good things happening as well. Furticks teaching is chock full of narcigesis. God Himself saves us because we have met His terms of agreement. If you have faith, they claim, your faith gives you the power to do amazing things. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. I would like to know how to reach out to him and make him see that when he listens to these guys hes being affected, but he should know this. I do applaud those who have obtained these things legitimately. This passage carries with it two specific kinds of punishments: plagues for those who add to it, and eternal condemnation for those who take away from it. This belief talks about the nature of God. Its the established position of Scripture and the witness of millions of faithful Christians throughout history: God CAN heal, but He might not and we dont have the power to override His decisions. They should not be tolerated in the local church. Clearly, modalism contradicts Scripture. Have a great day! Because if a person really Noahs God and has a true relationship with him they know right from wrong keep your comments to yourself and quit causing Discord among the brethren. You said you could not find any Bible that translates it in any other way than did., yet CEB says; Will God honor His word regardless of who presents it ? Not really a definitive answer to what constitutes a false teacher. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. We will see how full of sinful judgemental, misguided jealousy you are. It ALSO teaches that the Spirit in us is Christ in you, the Hope of Glory. Furtick is, quite simply, wrong: God can, and often does, override our unbelief. I think your all wrong you all a I have religious spirit like the Pharisees because Pastor Steve speak the truth and you cant handle the truth -you water down the word of truth make hard -this is my opinion Shame on all you all one you be judges for accusing your brother in Christ instead of support him -you you dont look good pick part everything that you dont like only have itching ears you are like your father the devil may God help you all. He says a lot of things that are true, of course but he also promotes unbiblical falsehoods. Thats not an indication of limitation, and the very idea contradicts the rest of what God reveals about Himself in all of Scripture. "We knew it was not in desperate need for more churches. Elevation Church founder and senior Pastor Steven Furtick and his wife, Holly, recently came under fire online for supporting their teenage son's music, which includes references to sex, guns and excesses of money. The blood of Jesus is far superior to the blood of animal sacrifices in the eyes of God, so much so that sacrifice of animals ceased being acceptable to him since the completion of the atoning work of his Son on the cross, Hebrews 9:11-14 Thanks for visiting GodWords! Im happy to have been even a little bit helpful. Narcigesis makes Scripture about me. The wine at the wedding in Cana was non-alcoholic. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. Im not providing examples here, but a warning to watch out for it. Partly cloudy. Job, in, Nothing will be impossible with God. 1. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. New to your work. Thanks, Thomas. All of Revelation? Paul didnt speak faith-filled words to manifest in the physical the reality that he had already been healed in the spiritual. Why is that? How many have only joined a church , gotten baptized, confirmed without being convicted. Built on a burial ground, Norfolks Basilica of St. Mary houses over 100 years of Black history. Jesus still has a body, by the way He didnt stop being human after the resurrection. This is how it works, as right, it is this same power that we all have today (Hebrews 13:8) to obey the command of Mark 16:15-20. An assertion like that would be valuable information if it could be readily verified. MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. This is also true. Its not about Steven Furtick, but about the fact that he teaches unbiblical ideas in the name of Jesus Christ. As Paul notes, our glorified bodies will be just like His so, as far as Scripture is concerned, Jesus still has a body at this moment. The son is NOT the Father, nor is He the Spirit. He did not change forms and become spirit. Where the Bible isnt clear, we should hold loosely to the ideas that we come up with about who God is, how He operates, and why. Something you said reminded me of another misconception. Did Father God forget to send out a memo that these responsibilities have been passed down to you? Yes, I have the final word on what gets published, but that only applies when people are being unduly combative or promoting things I cant promote. I dont have an aversion to faith folks. You and I have a responsibility to the gospel as it was once and for all handed down: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to Gods holy people. Why do you stare at us as if by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? I wonder, Joann: who do you think I should listen to? His publicist. Is a biblical false teacher one that denies the deity of Christ, one that denies His redemptive plan of salvation. Jesus obediently passed on to us the things that the Father told Him to say. I mean to say that it hasnt always been combined into a single volume with other inspired Scriptures so, when Jesus referred to this scroll, he wasnt referring to the inspired writings of Luke, or Peter, or Paul. They represent the consensus view of all of Scripture, old and new. The order is wrong. That doesnt mean that God cant USE the bad things for our good, of course but that doesnt make bad things good. In light of Furticks false teaching, this might simply be a big mistake, and not a lie but its worth noting when asking whether Furtick is a trustworthy Christian leader. There are no internal relationships in the Godhead but thats contrary to a whole bunch of clear passages of Scripture. Good question. Do you? The Scriptures are enough. So that if mighty works be not wrought in us, it is not for want of power or grace in Christ, but for want of faith in us. I dont mean that you might create a circumstance where God doesnt get what He wants that happens all the time. Obedience is very, very important but there are some churches that teach that a single act of disobedience will cause the Holy Spirit to leave you, losing your salvation. I dont have a definitive answer. As does Satan. There's also the cool factor, stoked by a marketing-savvy Elevation staff of flip-flop-and-T-shirt-wearing twentysomethings. We must be careful to consider the cost when publically denouncing a man as a false teacher. The implication, of course, is that regular Christians do not. Elevation pastor is not wrong at all not that I cannot see problems/difficulties with this analogy! They demote God from the all-powerful, all-knowing being that He is into a victim of a clever demon that He created the Creator was tricked by His creation, failed to see the future, and was rendered impotent as a result. It seems weve already agreed that Furtick went too far when he claimed that Jesus COULD NOT perform a miracle because of someones unbelief. It makes the most sense to apply it to Revelation, as it IS a book of prophecy. Lets pretend for a moment that youre right, though. Feel free to build yourself a palace full of nickels. I dont say that to say that Im right, but to point to the objective fact that what Furtick teaches, and what youve repeated, simply contradicts Scripture. Some are saved through Steven Furticks ministry but not solely because of what he teaches. Is that REALLY all you got out of my response? If you will, please answer one simple question: Do you agree that God is a molecular structure? I cant turn my back on those who come to me for help and many are looking for answers who will never send me an email. The idea of Trinity is a theological one. Ill break that down for you: So heres what sozo means in Romans 10:9: IF (in the future) you (the singular second person) confess and believe, salvation will happen (indicative). This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I amhas sent me to you.. James says something curious. With God all things are possible. First, Ive confirmed your subscription to this comment thread. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.. They looked at Raleigh, and at Jacksonville, Fla. Steven Furtick earned a Master of Divinity degree from the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. As the founder and pastor of Elevation Church - home of the popular Christian music group Elevation Worship - he has a great amount of influence and a worldwide audience. Regular Christians always get to be healed, but Paul was a special case. Furtick had never known another young man whose love for Jesus seemed so genuine. And theres one thing that even Jesus cant do. Instead he was internal He said its good that Im ghosting you. As always, Scripture should be our guide. See what I mean? We want to understand the context of this passage before we even think about applying it. Second: who does it apply to? Do you believe that false teachers exist? Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. The problem is not, and has never been, the people. And he performed very few miracles there because of their lack of faith. In both it indicates that did not is part and partial to could not for it was the lack of their faith that caused this. Does being wrong confidently wrong mean hes not saved? Do you tell immature believers, or impressionable non-believers, that they should take the good and ignore the evil? We see this all over the place: Jesus is sent by the Father, prays to the Father, obeys the Father, goes back to the Father. It shows that youre hungry for the true things of God, that you really want to see Gods people living like Gods people, that you feel anxiety over how many lost people are being led farther astray. Steven paid for with money from his book sales and publisher advances, rather than his salary from Elevation Church. All things are in general possible to God (Matthew 19:26), but then it is to him that believes as to the particulars, Mk. 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