Sit down, you sound dumb. Click below for a FREE LESSON! This is the true speed that the bullet is capable of traveling when fired from a standard handgun in good working order. Feel free to cite your real world experience that you keep vaguely referring to. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. New developments not only improved the 9mm, modern 45ACP can make a 1 hole and 50% more energy delivered on target. I totally spilt the difference and went with Beretta 96 chambered in .40 S&W. Can't go wrong with that. I own both calibers with two semi autos chambered for each. Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. It also has a wide selection of ammunition types. A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. The 9mm also has a higher muzzle velocity than the .45 ACP because of its lighter bullets. Which is best? So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. 5 Rounds of Hell. Another factor to consider is the direction of the grain of the wood. A 7" barrel with a 7" suppressor would still give an overall length of 14 inches, so going up to 10" for a little extra velocity would put you at just about 17" with a suppressor, which is still going to handle better than a 16" barrel, along with the benefits of being suppressed. My dream gun has always been a 1911 in 45 cal but after watching the video I'm on the fence again. He was being serious. You ask why? Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. If YOU Do!! I used to carry 9mm and I switched to an XDS 3.3 chambered in 45 ACP. I was wondering if Id be losing much by staying with the 4 inch barrel as opposed to the 5 inch. I consistently place the 45 rounds in an 8" area. Muzzle velocity is simply a measure of the speed of the projectile the moment it leaves the barrel. Any one who reads this should know that vital truth! Heavier projectiles shed their kinetic energy more quickly than heavier projectiles. The 9mm Ruger EC9s fits in a hip pocket, weighs just 17.2 ounces, holds 7+1 rounds, costs less than $300, and is surprisingly comfortable to shoot. Almost reaching weak .44 mag specs Take the 155gr XTP 10mm round from Underwood. I carry and would defend my life with 9mm round. Correct, I have not shot many people. Your statement is factually in error. Ive been doing this for 40 years. It's about energy. Over penetration should not be an issue. I have done a lot of chronograph work with different barrel lengths . In a 6 feet or less fire fight, if I have not subdued my attacker in 7 rounds. a G43 to an AR15 fight. And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. There are many good rounds for the G19 for social work. It also delivers additional felt recoil and comes with slightly higher recoil velocity. If a higher capacity magazine (15) might be needed (such as law enforcement), go with the 9mm. I (thankfully) also have an overactive amygdala response that kicks in to take over. Imagine a world where those guys held the power to wipe out the north American continent. When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. If cost is no issue then .45 is probably best. I'm removing that link since it looks like it was redirected. This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". or 38 & 45 both. It gives perspective from both sides. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. Fast-burning powder in pistol ammo loses push after about 7-10 inches and drag can slow the bullet down. Most shootouts are long range. I'm not a big guy, 170 lb, I can easily carry 2 It's a hardwired biological response. I knew folks who carried small .22LR automatics (Beretta etc) or light weight revolvers that family could Mail to RVN. So, the muzzle velocity of a 2-inch (51 mm) barrel is less than that of a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, which is less than that of a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. I would go with what I shoot best. i agree and i hear that every day. Equipped with a suppressor, they make ideal home defense weapons and they are less likely to over-penetrate. Do the math. The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. A ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will not know the difference between a 9mm & a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a DOUBLE TAP to the CHEST!! Please take immediate action to change this link and ensure no other articles on Pew Pew Tactical contain links to that dishonest propaganda site. With a wider selection of officers being able to shoot handguns chambered in 919mm, many departments choose this caliber so they can standardize around a single firearm and loading, making logistics and supply easier. You sound highly inexperienced. To give you an idea of muzzle velocity statistics, here are a few listed velocities for specific products in some of the most popular cartridges: Another important aspect of muzzle velocity is the difference between the speed at the muzzle and the speed at the target. And this is all before we even talk about the lack of concealability of .45 ACP double stack. Again, velocity and mass both increase accuracy, but mass seems to get us there more quickly just as we see with penetration, while velocity appears to build energy more quickly. If you practice and hit a vital section, the adversary is done. More stopping power. They are equally comfortable to carry and to shoot. Not always which round is bigger, faster, more powerful!!!! I agree with you completely,I like and have both -a DW Guardian in .45 and a sig p365 9mm for carry.The choice on which to carry depends upon where I am carrying and why for that day.I believe the ability to have both options covers more scenarios.Great info BTW. She is a small gal so it is perfect for her. When comparing the two handguns, its important to note that the 9mm hasnt become better than the .45 ACPit just caught up to it. That is just simply a foolish claim to make. That has nothing to do with WWII and everything to do with people not remembering or even wanting reminders of our past to keep them on the right path. But if you hurl the ball as fast as you can, like a fastball pitch, it will have a trajectory that is closer to a straight line. For sure we do not need guns for defense against other civilians. Yes! I have both 45s and 9mm's but I'm not emotionally attached to the 1911 or 45 ACP, it's not better, it's different. I dont have a problem with the recoil of any of the calibers so thats not an issue for me. I'm sticking with ole tried and true 1911. Once you're done watching YouTube videos, come back when you have more real world experience. The FPS isn't about dodging the bullet, that would be ridiculous, as you pointed out. shoot it with a hot 9mm. By the time you've pulled the trigger with a .45, a 9mm can put 3 rounds in any anatomically advantageous area. It fires slow and heavy bullets at a lower muzzle velocity than the 9mm and can be suppressed to near-whisper levels. At the end of the day, marksmanship always wins out. This is why K.E. The fact of the high muzzle velocity will lower the enteral damage done to organs . This can be accomplished two ways. Kinetic energy. as nickel-plated cases that resist corrosion and optimized propellants that burn quickly to reduce recoil and limit muzzle flash, help ensure that Critical Defense ammo is dependable in every situation. I would most def go with 9mm for carry You never know how many attackers you will be dealing with & if they all have weapons themselves, the more ammo you can shoot the better Plus if you scared of not a enough knock down power with the 9mm. Be situationally aware, proficent and accurate with your weapon and the rest will fall into place. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. You always try to chose the right tool for the job, no surprise. I was using a Glock 17 and really liked it. What is much more important is training and practice. I love Eric's articles. They're both about the same energy in most common defensive rounds between the two calibers. Veteran SWAT freeze. I expect our understanding of how bullets cause damage will evolve as well. Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm easier to use. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). At 3-8 yards distance, which is the most likely scenario I would find myself in need to draw, if God forbid the situation arises, aiming would be instinctive and firing would be done with one hand. Personally, I prefer carrying a small frame gun, so 9mm works best for me. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. Now I see these new cops high fiving each other for passing. Both 9mm and .45 ACP workjust personal preference, imo. My preference is to pull up the energy graph for nice visual reference. This is why the center mass target shooting with a double tap is taught with handgun self defense. Another benefit is that both are bottleneck cartridges dramatically lowering the chance of a failure to feed malfunction, an issue with both the 9mm and .45. They are way more similar than they are different, and its up to everyone to make the choice whats right for them. Or is it just a complex but unimportant piece of data, meant for people who are seriously interested in (and can mentally tolerate) the complex physics of shooting? Also designated the 9mm Luger by SAAMI, and 9mm Luger by the CIP. I read a lot before I chose 9mm over .45 and was swayed a lot by the later technology of 9mm catching up with the power of .45. Only because many pokice depts as hiring more and more females. -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. Its a battle-tested gun thats played an important role in American history during the 20th century. It's just going to tear stuff up more in there. Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. I'm still on the fence about it though. I'll be shooting faster when I'm more confident that I can hit the target (the closer the distance; the bigger the target; the easier to handle, more accurate the gun). Your personal guarantee is meaningless. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. Im also not worried about cost when it comes to my defense, no compromise there either. Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. If they've conducted studies and have a general opinion the 9mm is better for fire fights in the field, that is a very strong point in favor the the 9mm. Shotguns, rifles, pistolshe's been collecting them all for over a decade. A 9mm fires . Well use another sports analogy to make this point: think of a linebacker traveling at 6 mph, which is a typical jogging speed. The damage is the same and no 2 wound channels end up being the same on 45 or 9mm. 45 acp, with a father like the one we had, I am purest. Also loud as hell - enough to alert everyone in the house and even if you miss, the intruder is less likely to stick around to hear the mechanics of a pump signaling a second shot is on the way whether they're armed with a piece or a crowbar, unless they intend to harm you, rather than just steal your stuff. If you are going to use that short of a barreled P.C.C. ERIC! . lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. * Lighter gun If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. For example, American Eagle makes 9mm full-metal jacket rounds with 115-grain bullets and 147-grain bullets. As good a reason as any, I guess. In the majority of the states, anything more than 2 rounds down range puts in in the pin for excessive force! Not me. Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel, which were weakened by fragmentation damage. Different strokes for different folks. I have been shooting for around 50 years, and I like the .40 S&W for most things. As if the 9mm is the only benefactor of "ammo advancement", well, I also have the awesome 460 Rowland which overlaps 44 Magnum power levels in a 13 round Glock 21 magazine. Walk away I've shot that in Battlefield where all the ballistics are fully verified by experts because it's a computer game. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. Momentum is what gives more knock down power. Most ATTACKERS will not realize the difference of being Hit with either bullet!! In church it's a full size 45 at home full size 45 SHTF one for travel one for house to house. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. These are FBI statistics. And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. I personally love the recoil and trajectory of the .45 ACP because my wrist is more adapted to it. It usually takes longer for lung and lower toro hits to produce the same results. Case: Brass. So you can literally grab, draw, aim and shoot. The 9mm had a very distinct and predictable step in every load tested. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. Comparisons of muzzle velocities of the 4-inch pistol and the 16.5-inch carbine revealed only a 6 percent increase in velocity with the carbine; any muzzle velocity gain depends on the powder's burning characteristics. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. The main argument is basically that once a threat a stopped, it can't really become more stopped. And the proof he show. TL after me had 116 CQK, and TL after him had over 40 (and a posthumous MOH). Great article but I would personally reconsider the Youre welcome, Europe. poster, considering that most Brits could argue that we managed a total of four years of your fighting for you (but certainly not intending to denigrate the US contribution, or to get into the Roosevelt v Congress debate) so this could appear a little insensitive. Corresponding energies ranged from 228 ft-lbs to 345 ft-lbs. I'm not an expert on injuries caused by ammo though. The entrance and exit wound will be bigger (with a good hollow point). This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. Thats the meat eater .lol. I have them all. About 7 inches. Yes a 9mm may have less ft lb of energy going into your An unmoving target is pretty easy to hit again if needed. But after doing extensive research I've come to the conclusion that the ultimate home defense gun other than a 12 gauge would be a 45 pistol like the CMMG Banshee with a suppressor. Not that a low rent trash bag would be wearing a vest if he decides to break in your casa but with the cost of bullet resistant vests getting cheaper and cheaper any things possible. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. I wrote a loooong rebuttal to your post, but I lost it so you don't have to read it now! The .45 is a good caliber, and I have one or two of them. Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. I also like 9 millimeter Luger as an alternative long gun round over .22 Long Rifle as recoil sensitive people can shoot this and do more damage. All will work to some level of effectiveness if you can hit your target. As you can see, there is a huge difference in bullet velocities from caliber to caliber. : If you seek peace, prepare for war. This was the motto of its original manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken. There is a plethora of loads in both 9mm and .45 that do a better job of expanding and out perform the FBI test rounds in nearly every way. You effin ROCK! Furthermore, the 9mm is more practical for the average shooter looking to spend time on the range. You never know what you can walk into or what might bust in your door. They will both have the same result! If you come into my home, they're carrying what's left out in a bag. The 2 main reasons for the switch was 1. cost 2. ammunition since all our NATO allies use the 9. There is such a variety of pistols in public use that we will not determine what guns are compatible with which loads. The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. So, get training. Facebook Watch some videos on 9mm vs 45ACP in ballistic gel. Amount: 1000 Round Case. This backs up what I am saying about mass accounting for more in terms of penegation as velocity builds energy more than mass. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. So much quicker to re-aim, quicker to re-fire and hence more accurate. Of course they would have already wiped us out so that's not really an issue. government .45 and several spare mags concealed. I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. Not dissing the 9, in fact it's what I carry. Europeans don't understand that the Democrats would introduce more gun control, and the Republicans fight against that; that there are both a pro-gun lobby and an anti-gun lobby. I also agree about freezing and adrenaline and tunnel vision and all that. .45 all the way for me. If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. However i must say I have quite a bit of arthritic damage in both Yes you are right there is a lot more 9mm ammo than there are 45 ACP. Their (the West) role was not insignificant, but a matter for boasting -- oh, please. And honestly the 357magnum puts em both to shame. I once knew a fellow how kept a revolver loaded with snake shot on the living room mantle (kids and all) so his wife would have something to fire at an intruder which would essentially scare him off without killing him. Velocity / Muzzle Energy Test Results. The lesser destructive force is balanced out by higher accuracy over multiple shots and more ammunition available in states without restrictions. Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. Otherwise, However, physics will not be denied, and .45 ACP, while slower, is heavier, and will therefore break bones that 9mm would otherwise deflect off of. He wrote: The FBI and many police departments are going back to the 9mm for one reason and one reason only its easier to qualify with a 9mm. Most ATTACKERS even if not mortally wounded will address thier WOUND TRY to save THIER LIFE & not get SHOT Again!! When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. I have used both and much prefer the 9mm to a .45 ACP. Unless you through simple logic out the window, the 45 does more damage. No one in their right mind willingly chooses to use FMJs in a pistol or rifle for self-defense. Bye, Vendetta? Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. With the 7 round magazine it fits in my jeans front pocket. Was this test set up as a DOE (Design of Experiments) or an OFAT (One Factor at a Time) test? The same size 9mm semi auto usually holds more rounds (often 15+1) than a 45. Somethig to the discuters, even for an author. The best advice when employing these rounds in a true self defense situation is a follows: "Apply judiciously and generously until the threat has stopped". It's quiet and very handy if you plan on silencing a weapon. 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