Explain that. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. But its an analog. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. I dont know. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. And I feel that way with these pastors. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. And where does whats legally expedient for our organization? I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? They know there would be swift and sure discipline, if not firing, even with one mistakedepending on the severity of the misbehavior. 1 talking about this. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? Briscoe The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. Fortunately, we have not had so much as one complaint about any one of our pastors or staff members. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. With that purpose in mind, they launched theTelling the Truth ministry. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. As I was working through the Willow Creek representation with these women, the thing that kept cropping up to me was the Milgram experiment. Pete has offered to So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. But youre right. And its so important, I think, for any of us who are doing any kind of ministry at all, if we get our identity wrapped up in what were doing, then what were doing is no longer ministry, its no longer service to the Lord. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. Pete has offered to So disappointed in ECFA. it is. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. I wasnt throughout the representation. And now lets put that in the past. Willow did not want to reckon with the deformed culture that had manifested underneath Bills leadership. I think he lost it. Also, major problems. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? And theyre born knowing how to do that. Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. Like they didnt read a book, figuring out how to do it, but there are warning signs that people need to be aware of. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. So a young person in our high school ministry. And its pervasive, and people are, theyre using it. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. At one point, the elder board at Willow became what people call a policy governance board. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Is that right? So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. That was my upbringing. That way, youll never miss an episode. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. Now youre a lawyer. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. I was blown away. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. That is a very fair question. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. Lawyers are, by definition, advocates, right? https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, Also, Id encourage you to read the website below. I am thrilled to be here. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. And presented them with the information, he essentially tossed it to the side and said, So what?, No consequences. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Yeah, totally agree. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. Yeah, I think youre gonna be waiting a while. I think the load needs to be shared. Happened so often, I quit altogether. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? There are therapy notes to support her story. Im Julie Roys. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Well, and it troubles me too, that so many of our Christian organizations seem to be more beholden to lawyers advice and counsel than they do the Word of God. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. These are people that are in your country club. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. So its more than flirty words or suggestions. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. This is a calling. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. It is not a building. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. Right? To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." At least, thats how I saw it. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. It is. Mitch has seen church governance from both the inside and the outside. Its scripturally rooted. I am with you in this sad place of justified disappointment in the church. Right. Okay. 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