I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Popular False Teachers & Unbiblical Trends, please click here and read this article first, Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Can you explain ? I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. People Listen In Different Wayscan You Reach All Of Them? Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. THE CALL? - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. 3. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. Throughout Wow! Thank you! Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. Michelle, I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. Astonished Beyond Measure YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. I can always use more people praying for me. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . Often God reveals more through discussions and scripture references. Thanks so much for your comment. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. I am gonna pray for you. MATTHEW 14:16 That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. Michelle, what do you think about this article? Priscilla Shirer is. We have just joined a new church and I was completely disheartened to find they were about to start two womens Bible studies both by Priscilla Shirer. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. Go beyond by faith. Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. We are to go beyond encouragement. Thank you, Michelle! Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. She seems somewhat self righteous. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own helpful in understanding biblically whether or not someone is a false teacher. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Certainly. She was the chosen bride, not for doing the minimum, but for going beyond the expected. Opening Prayer. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). She has no control over who reads her blogs. Here they are promoting silence. Also, and I am not downing what you say, as you obviously have many wonderful people reading your blog, these women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. It will be called the good shepherd calls. Thank you again. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. Genesis 24:1-4. 1. Evangelical Dark Web. Heres why: 1. Dear Michelle, I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. And this faith is . Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. - Jonah didnt smell good. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. One of them went up to him and told him. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. Or and be .. Thats a rare find these days. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. - Jonah 2:10. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before 1 It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). Heres the thing. This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. I am a born again Christian. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. It just says dont. Period. If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. Also, there are some great resources here. There are some instances in which it is biblically permissible for a man to be in the room while a woman is teaching the Bible, but if the men you saw were there for biblical instruction from a woman, they were violating Scripture (see #1 & 2 here https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/). Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 read more, Scripture: Some of the points you bring up give me pause. This is not a Church. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. read more, Scripture: (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). After a bit of research on Ms. Shirer, Im determined that shes one to beware of. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) read more, Scripture: If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. 2. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. If you are also then do we not have the same Holy Spirit to counsel and teach us? Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. rather than on the Bible. Verse Concepts. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). Scroll up to the top of the page and click on the Recommended Bible Teachers tab. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Go beyond what's familiar. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. God knew what He was doing. How is this different?. A. A sermon examining the fact that we should ever be amazed by Jesus. I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help you better understand Gods role for women in the church. Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! #1- Thank you so much for letting me know that link was broken. Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. Do you interpret scripture to mean women should not witness to all people; share the gospel message to all nations not just other women or children? Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Baptist. Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. If anyone has more info. You are spot on. Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. Josh 9:1. Do you send women to your articles as a response? September 1, 2002 Go beyond our fears. There are two crucial reasons for this. 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